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An unfinished starting point for the ontological argument

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Used the statement in Psalms that said " a fool says in his heart there is no God"Both forms of the argument do thisProving your version is right by suggesting that the oppositewould prove an absurd resultProof by contradiction Reductio ad absurdumGod is "aliquid quo nihil mauispossibit"God is the greatest conceivable beingSame format but with contingency and neccessityWhen he paints it it exists in his reality andhis understandingIt exists in his understandingThe painter knows what he is going to paint before he paints itGod is the greatest conceivable beingIt is better to have always existed then to stop existingIf God stop existing a greater being could be conceived that always existsTherefore God must always existPart 2To think God doesn't would be a contradiction to the 1st premiseTherefore God must exist.If God existed only in the mind a greater being could be conceived that exists in bothIt is greater to exist in the mind and reality rather than just realityGod is the greatest conceivable beingPart 1The ProslogionAnselmI think therefore I amThough he could prove he exists, he could not prove theexistence of everything elseCogito ergo sumHe believed that the knowledge of the trianglesproperties did not come from his senses as hissenses would not derive the triangles properties asclearly as his mind wouldGod is a supremely perfect beingExistence is a perfectionIf God did not exist he would not be supremely perfect as existence is a perfectionTherefore God must existA supremely perfect being has all the perfectionsPart 2To think of God without existence is to think of a mountainwithout valleys or a triangle without three sidesWhen considering critismsDescartesNot based on experienceTries to prove Gods existence through logic aloneA prioriBackgroundEveryone's idea of perfection is different (subjective)You can think of the perfect island but doesn't mean it exists.You cant define somethinginto existenceYou can add or take things fromthe perfect island but you can'tfrom God as he is necessaryAnselms first part.In "on behalf of the fool"GuanilloEveryones definitionof God is differentWe dont have an innate concept ofGod. Even if we did it is confusedHow can someonewho is contingenthave the correctconcept of one whois notHe is beyondhumanunderstandingAquinasIt is not possible to take an idea in someonesmind, apply pure logic to it and come with aconclusion based entirely in the external,observable universeexistence is not a predicateSome would say, as human beings we base our livesaround that which we can observe rather than what wecan rationally prove. However is this the case??ResponsesHumea predicate must give us informationabout the subject. To say somethingexists does not give us anydescriptionexistence is not a predicateTo suggest that a square does not have four sides is illogical.In an analytical statement the subjectdefinition is contained within theassertion, for example " a square hasfour sides"Propositions related to existence aresynthetic because because you haveto prove that the thing in questionexists and so it is not evident in thestatementIn doing this anselm and descartes have given asynthetic proposition an analytical status andbroken the rules of grammerGod can not be placed in aseparate category thaneverything elseKantCritismsThe Ontological ArgumentDouble click this nodeto edit the textClick and drag this buttonto create a new node