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Ontological Argument Philosopher's
- Why are GE Moore and Russell against the Ontological Argument?
- Kant and Russell
- You have to have proof that something exists
before you add exist as a quality/predicate of
them.
- Kant
- Kant thinks existence is not a
predicate
- Predicate=
Quality/Charactistic
- Predicate=
Quality/Charactistic
- We have to know what something is to
understand it.
- Existing does not help us understand
something.
- To understand something it *has* to exist so we can
know it.
- A Characteristic has to tell
you something about the
'thing', you can't have
something without proof.
- Against the
Ontological
Argument
- Kant thinks existence is not a
predicate
- You have to have proof that something exists
before you add exist as a quality/predicate of
them.
- Moore
- A Some tame tigers do not growl
- B Some tame tigers do not exist
- A is meaningful saying that 'tame tigers' do not growl
- a characteristic
- a characteristic
- B does not make any sense
- How do you know what a 'tame tiger' is if it does not exist?
- You do not learn anything about anything in this sentence/statement.
- You do not learn anything about Tigers/God by saying if they do/do not exist.
- How do you know what a 'tame tiger' is if it does not exist?
- A Some tame tigers do not growl
- Russell
- Saying 'Cows are brown' is the same as saying 'Cows are brown and exist'.
- This is because you wouldn't know what it looked like if they didn't exist.
- Cows= Real things
- This is because you wouldn't know what it looked like if they didn't exist.
- Therefore you do not prove anything about God by just saying 'he
exists'.
- There is no proof
- You have to have proof before you say its
true. You have to to have proof before you
say Gods exists.
- You have to have proof before you say its
true. You have to to have proof before you
say Gods exists.
- There is no proof
- Saying 'Cows are brown' is the same as saying 'Cows are brown and exist'.
- Kant and Russell
- Infavour of the Ontological
Argument
- Alvin Plantinga
- There are an infinite number of universes in
which God must exist because he is greater
than everything.
- If he didn't exist in all universes he wouldn't be
perfect.
- If he didn't exist in all universes he wouldn't be
perfect.
- There are an infinite number of universes in
which God must exist because he is greater
than everything.
- Based on Anselm's statement
- "God is greater than can be conceived"
- "God is greater than can be conceived"
- Gaunilo
- "If God exists he must be perfect"
- Perfect Island
- Image your perfect Island (in your mind)
- For it to be perfect it must exist
- Counter
- Not true, because if you can image it, it doesn't mean it exists
- Not true, because if you can image it, it doesn't mean it exists
- Counter
- For it to be perfect it must exist
- Image your perfect Island (in your mind)
- Necessary being- God is a necessary being and therefore must exist
- "If God exists he must be perfect"
- Alvin Plantinga
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